network help from #nanog

<sneep> noc@gblx.net ? <sesos> yeah, no response. I'll try again. *** Scarthos (blaxthos@ghetto.bmj.net) has joined channel #nanog *** Fearnor ([Juuk81Q7y@paix.pilosoft.com) has joined channel #nanog <routeflap> Probably just use software update from system preferences. <routeflap> I haven't found my Mac disk to be very slow, and journaling FS +isn't actually that much slower if done right. It is alot less succeptable +to corruption, otoh. <anal-ease> *cough* <routeflap> (I like my Ti Book too.) <packtloss> yeah they are pimp <WinX> i like my tibook and powermac. it's all i use. <packtloss> i need to get my shit in gear <packtloss> and order my powermac and cinema <packtloss> heh <routeflap> Well, I wanted a powermac, but I youknow... It's PowerMac taste on +an iMac budget :-) <anal-ease> i like hot bitches gently lowering their pink cootchies right on +my stiff hot member for intense sense of pleasure *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) *** kang (jarrod@prophet.opticalcarrier.net) has joined channel #nanog <[eX]> mac pplz, 10.2.2 is out today. <[eX]> journaling fs. <gavroche> nice <gavroche> lets make the already slow disk slower <gavroche> :p <routeflap> Cool... I smell an upgrade in my very near future. <packtloss> matt, get via dev connection, or? *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) *** kang (jarrod@prophet.opticalcarrier.net) has joined channel #nanog <sesos> anyone know a contact for gblx.net (Global Crossings)? <sesos> one of their routers seem to be blocking me... <sneep> noc@gblx.net ? <sesos> yeah, no response. I'll try again. *** Scarthos (blaxthos@ghetto.bmj.net) has joined channel #nanog *** Fearnor ([Juuk81Q7y@paix.pilosoft.com) has joined channel #nanog <routeflap> Probably just use software update from system preferences. <routeflap> I haven't found my Mac disk to be very slow, and journaling FS +isn't actually that much slower if done right. It is alot less succeptable +to corruption, otoh. *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) <blll> global crossing customer service in any form sucks dick *** kang (jarrod@prophet.opticalcarrier.net) has joined channel #nanog <sesos> fark! <routeflap> I wouldn't know... I've yet to see Global Crossing provide +anything I would call customer service :-( <sesos> I seem to have this recurring problem.... <sesos> I can't ping/traceroute/tcp from a new Class C. <sesos> If I bind the machines to IPs from another Class C, everything works fine. <sesos> Has anyone had this problem before? <sesos> (I get blocked from a variety of ISPs) <sesos> I was told that my new Class C is 'new': <sesos> 69/8 allocated to ARIN (AUG 2002). <sesos> are there router lists that are blocking non allocated IP spaces, or what??? +(signed, Confused) <amagosa> I don't think you really have enough clue to understand this <amagosa> But yes, there are "bogon lists" that block announcements, and +sometimes packets, from networks that really shouldn't exist. <amagosa> 69/8 used to be a space that shouldn't exist on the public Internet <sesos> Thank you, I know I don't have a clue and appreciate your help. <Scarthos> i suggest you hire me at $150/hour to analyze your situation, +explain it to you, and offer a solution <amagosa> That changed recently, and not all networks have updated their +"bogon lists". You should probably traceroute and complain to the place +where your packets stop. <amagosa> Your problem could either be them dropping BGP announcements, or the +actual packets. You might need to talk to someone pretty clued at the +offending network before you can get anything useful done. :-( <routeflap> If you get !H back, then that's true. However, if you just get +*'s, then it's probably the next router you need to complain to. <sesos> ... should I complain to me carrier, or is this something I should take up +with glbx, sprintlink, etc? <sesos> '*' <routeflap> (Above applies for tracing TO your new class C) <sesos> here are my notes, if you care to see traceroutes: <sesos> http://www.monkeybrains.net/mandy.html <amagosa> No, we don't need to see <routeflap> If you're tracing FROM, then it's almost certainly the next +router, and you're almost certainly going to see *'s instead of !H.] <routeflap> s/]// <sesos> ok, So if hope 10 is all * * * but tracing from another IP it works, I +should contact noc@hop10-ip... ? <sesos> s/hope/hop/ <routeflap> None of the monkeybrains traceroutes seem to relate to 69/8. <sesos> my gw ( is 69.1.75.1 ...) *** boii has changed the topic on channel #nanog to <sesos> Thank you, I know +I don't have a clue and appreciate your help. <routeflap> That is irrelevant. Only the final destination IP matters for +routing. <sesos> oh... the failed traceroutes are from various 69.1.75.xxx ips. I don;t use +the '-s src_ip' cause, the default IP is in my main Class C. *** uid0 (nerual@og.latency.net) has joined channel #nanog *** Mode change "+o uid0" on channel #nanog by irc.daxnet.no <routeflap> Got it... In that case, you should probably contact noc@hop11. <sesos> The one after the * * * ? <boii> seos <boii> monkeybrains intro flash <boii> is fucking ugly <boii> :) <routeflap> There is a small chance that the problem is @hop10, but more +likely, hop11 is ignoring hop10's advertisement of your address. <sesos> ha! *** Signoff: ianai (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) <sesos> thanks! I am learning something... <routeflap> I'm looking at one where hop10 is the last valid address. hop11 +is the first * * *. * Fearnor will have to go through this pain myself when ARIN comes back with +IP assignment <sesos> routeflap, lets take the first one on that URL about dvgarage... * routeflap sympathizes with Fearnor and offers consulting services. :-) <routeflap> OK... bug @hop8. <Fearnor> you know, i think that bogon filters need to do "one forward", just +because it takes people a year to notice a change in bogon filters <sesos> hop8 gets failed advertisement from hop9? or hop8 is mad? *** oz232 (ralph@216-234-204-178.zianet.com) has joined channel #nanog <routeflap> hop8 gets advertisement form hop7 and ignores it. * routeflap thinks if I were op I'd set topic to "Fear the Bogon List" <sesos> I am getting on this, but feel my carrier should have warned me about this +bogon stuff... *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) +routing. <sesos> oh... the failed traceroutes are from various 69.1.75.xxx ips. I don;t use +the '-s src_ip' cause, the default IP is in my main Class C. *** uid0 (nerual@og.latency.net) has joined channel #nanog *** Mode change "+o uid0" on channel #nanog by irc.daxnet.no <routeflap> Got it... In that case, you should probably contact noc@hop11. <sesos> The one after the * * * ? <boii> seos <boii> monkeybrains intro flash <boii> is fucking ugly <boii> :) <routeflap> There is a small chance that the problem is @hop10, but more +likely, hop11 is ignoring hop10's advertisement of your address. <sesos> ha! *** Signoff: ianai (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) <sesos> thanks! I am learning something... <routeflap> I'm looking at one where hop10 is the last valid address. hop11 +is the first * * *. * Fearnor will have to go through this pain myself when ARIN comes back with +IP assignment <sesos> routeflap, lets take the first one on that URL about dvgarage... * routeflap sympathizes with Fearnor and offers consulting services. :-) <routeflap> OK... bug @hop8. <Fearnor> you know, i think that bogon filters need to do "one forward", just +because it takes people a year to notice a change in bogon filters <sesos> hop8 gets failed advertisement from hop9? or hop8 is mad? *** oz232 (ralph@216-234-204-178.zianet.com) has joined channel #nanog <routeflap> hop8 gets advertisement form hop7 and ignores it. * routeflap thinks if I were op I'd set topic to "Fear the Bogon List" <sesos> I am getting on this, but feel my carrier should have warned me about this +bogon stuff... *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) <routeflap> Well... After it's all said and done, you basically have to let bogons be bogons. :-) <sesos> hohohoho! *** kang (jarrod@prophet.opticalcarrier.net) has joined channel #nanog *** oz232 has left channel #nanog <routeflap> Interestingly, sprint (who has traditionally been one of the most agressive bogon filters +is passing your traffic (see second traceroute). However, they have a peer which is ignoring the +advertisement. <Fearnor> hm, is there a way to "flash" seeprom on non-cisco gbic to make cisco hardware accept it? <sesos> Yes, I just emailed noc@sprintlink.net ... <Scarthos> email trouble tickets are much easier to ignore <Scarthos> they're the preferred method <sesos> What works better, distributed ICMP attack? *** [eX] is now known as [eXGone] <routeflap> Interesting... Most of SPRINT's network works, but their customer interface router to +uecomm is where it breaks. <routeflap> Telephone is sometimes effective, but usually requires a direct customer relationship. <routeflap> Public embarassment on IRC sometimes leads to help, but is rare. <sesos> ok... I'll try getting on hold with gblx... <routeflap> That probably won't help. GBLX has no control over the problem. <sesos> ? they rent hardware form someone else? <Fearnor> heh <sesos> from <routeflap> They are routing your packets correctly. It is hops outside of GBLX that have the broken +bogon filters. It's after you leave their network that you run into trouble. <routeflap> (PointClickConsulting router is probably controlled by PointClickConsulting, for +example). *** Signoff: amagosa (Local kill by seiki (read the locops please, thanks)) *** sesos (~rudy@po.monkeybrains.net) has joined channel #rotten *** Topic for #rotten: http://www.downsyndromedolls.com/Tatjana.html *** #rotten polymorf!ss7@midget.love 1037052243 *** Users on #rotten: @tenyen @Veggie @ells @k0re @uucp @chompy @CowSketch @polymorf @Macki +@hepkitten @unicorn_ @soylent @bms @spook @reflex^ @LizBorden @Ombudsman sesos lb *** #rotten 1006323092 <sesos> ola! *** You are now talking to channel #nanog <tenyen:#rotten> yay sesos! <unicorn_:#rotten> ssesessss *** _duncan (~grrg@newaus.Stanford.EDU) has joined channel #nanog <unicorn_:#rotten> http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/sfc/apa/6765141.html <_duncan> whats going on? <unicorn_:#rotten> you still in los perros? <routeflap> Debugging bogon filters blocking 69/8 *** You are now talking to channel #rotten <sesos> in sf right now... chatting on #nanog <sesos> trying to debug some bogon filters blocking 69/8 *** Signoff: kang (Connection timed out) *** You are now talking to channel #nanog <unicorn_:#rotten> did you ever find out what was up with that packet loss frm the switch?? *** You are now talking to channel #rotten <sesos> I think it is bogon filters... <sesos> http://www.monkeybrains.net/mandy.html *** kang (jarrod@prophet.opticalcarrier.net) has joined channel #nanog <sesos> I have another class C to bind to, but I want to try to resolve outstanding bogon blocking problems + instead of using it. <sesos> (I am learning some crap I never needed to know!) <sesos> December 5th: fasion show! *** amagosa (jsw@brimstone.five-elements.com) has joined channel #nanog <sesos> junkinthetrunkshow.com ... (not yet updated) <sesos> I am going to MC the runway models! <unicorn_> sweet isabel's jewelry too right? <sesos> yep <unicorn_> sweet <unicorn_> down for the brown <sesos> going to Berlin for new years eve... may hit London the first week of 2003. <reflex^> awesome! <sesos> I can bother tenyen, spook, and reflex^ <unicorn_> sweet <reflex^> sweat! *** Mode change "+oo sesos lb" on channel #rotten by reflex^ <sesos> seet sweat! <sesos> I mean sweat seat *** Signoff: CowSketch (Read error: Connection reset by peer) <tenyen> sesos: werd, you hanging around for CCCongress? *** [eXGone] is now known as [eX] <unicorn_> t1na lives in berlin * Fearnor:#nanog is going to suggest to rob@cymru not including 'next-to-be-assigned' /8 as a bogon <tenyen> I'm still procrastinating over going but my uncle their sent me a mail earlier saying I'm +welcome on the 26th and after. <tenyen> although the plan is to escape the misery of christmas. <Fearnor:#nanog> i.e. if people now allow 70/8, we won't have a problem in 6 months. seeing that +people update filters about once every few years, that should help with silliness like 69/8 *** You are now talking to channel #nanog <sesos> yeah, the central bogon list should be half a hear ahead of reality. <sesos> Is this the main bogon list: http://www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-list.html <Veggie:#rotten> I write'm big field notes. <Fearnor> there's no central bogon list. its just rob's bogon list. <jd-> anyone in here use qmailadmin? *** mamba_X (~swhyte@willers.employees.org) has joined channel #nanog *** rabbi (~rabbi@thetis.deor.org) has joined channel #nanog <jamesc> i use qmailadmin <winta> damn customers hosting terrorist sites <jamesc> send 'em to he.net <blll> hah <uid0> rabbi <troy> official hosting provider of al qaeda?